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Appendix VIII - Fic Activities

Meeting Minutes
Fleet Improvement Committee
National Science Foundation
Room 130
Arlington, VA

September 20, 2000

Appendices

    1. Participant List
    2. Meeting Agenda
    3. Special Report from FIC – User Feed Back
    4. ALPHA HELIX Replacement Status
    5. Regional Ship Planning
    6. CAPE HENLOPEN Replacement Status
    7. SAVANNAH’s Construction Update
    8. FIC Activities and Plans
FIC Welcome and Introductions – The Fleet Improvement Committee (FIC) held their meeting on 20 September at the National Science Foundation in Room 130. The meeting participants introduced themselves. See Appendix I.
 
 

Discussion of Agenda Items - Larry Atkinson reviewed the agenda and added the following items: CAPE HATTERAS midlife planning, NR-2, MTS Journal, and Sea Technology Soapbox. See Appendix II.
 
 

Future Science Needs and Fleet Planning - Larry Atkinson began the discussion and reported on the NSF workshop to Address Future Scientific Needs in Oceanography

in the Context of Academic Fleet Capabilities. Larry co-chaired the workshop with Tim Cowles at Oregon State University in August. The draft report is expected to be completed soon. Some of the findings indicate that the demand for ships will not go down. Instead, the way that ships are used will likely change. There will be additional use of ships as support platforms for various ocean observatories, AUVs and ROVs. Also, it is anticipated that as technologies become more advanced, ships with larger labs with more sophisticated equipment will be needed.

Larry Reviewed the FIC website: http://www.unols.org/committees/fic/ which includes the Biennial Review, Fleet Planning document, and Science Mission Requirements (SMRs). All of the available SMRs have been posted on the website. There was a discussion on the definition of the UNOLS ship classes and it was noted that this definition should be included on the website. It was recommended that the dates of the SMRs be added to the website. Most of these SMRs were developed in the late 1980’s.

Larry reviewed the FIC Fleet Planning document, http://www.unols.org/fic/planning /fltplan.pdf. He began by showing the chart that predicts ship availability into the out years. This was based on the average use trends of the last five years. He showed charts that provide the total number of operating days by year for the separate classes as well as the fleet as a whole. Use by ship class appears to be fairly stable over the years in regard to operating days. Since there is the need for flexibility, the excess days due to underutilizations is good to some extent. Chris Measures commented that shipboard lab space demand would continue to increase. The numbers of computers being brought aboard by the science party continues to grow. Size needs to be an important factor in the ship renewal process. Demands for lab space and power will in turn drive the size of the ship. The question was asked if science funding would increase to match increase ship use demands. Mike Reeve indicated that it is impossible to predict what the funding situation will be in the future.

There was a discussion on what defines the ship and the following questions were identified:

- What will be the operating region of the ship? The UNOLS Biennial Review of Sea Going Oceanographic Facilities– Annette DeSilva reviewed proposed changes to the format of the Biennial Review document. The document will be reformatted for easier viewing. It will also merge the Fleet Planning Document into its body. Details of the changes are as follows along with suggestions from the Committee:

The report will be divided into six sections.

Section 1: Will explain the web document and its goal.

Section 2: The Future. This will link to the:

Section 3: General Information on the UNOLS Fleet Section 4: Capabilities and Future Needs It was recommended that a brief introduction be added to each of the items in Section 4. Section 5: Fisheries and Hydrographic Surveys Section 6: Technical Issues A discussion on future ship needs followed. It was commented that the AGOR SWATH might change the way science at sea is conducted. A credible plan for fleet replacement must begin now.

Break

Fleet Replacement Plan: Larry Atkinson began the discussion by asking what is the mechanism that should be used to develop a plan. We have the projected retirement dates for the ships of the fleet. Chris Measures noted that there are three ways of approaching the replacement plan:

    1. UNOLS can develop the plan, and seek the necessary construction funding.
    2. UNOLS can leave the responsibility of fleet replacement to the operators.
    3. A combined approach of items one and two.
Chris went on to provide his thoughts on ship acquisition. The fleet is here for the purpose of supporting science. UNOLS should be driving the ship acquisition process and scientists should be taking the lead in making the acquisition decisions, not the ship operators. In Chris’ view, the problem with ship operations is that it has become too political. Non-biased scientists should be advising on ship needs and they should be making the decision of fleet geographic distribution. Chris added that there is a general opinion that ship acquisition is in the hands of the operators. Under his proposed acquisition plan, the scientist would provide the Science Mission Requirements (SMRs). Then the funding agency would take these SMRs and broadly advertise a request for proposals. Any institution could submit a proposal and the scientists would decide the optimal ship operator.

The question was asked what the role of FOFC is in this process. Mike Reeve indicated that in this initial effort, FOFC is looking at science directions and trying to match the facility need requirements.

There was some discussion on Chris’s proposed method of acquisition and the process in general. Sujata indicated that she felt that the selections have been fair in the past. Operators were given an opportunity to submit proposals for the operation of the AGORs. The reviewers looked at what the institution could offer for the opportunity to be the ship operator. Chris noted that user comments must factor into the process.

In developing a plan, Sujata suggested that five items be addressed:

    1. Science requirements
    2. Design requirements
    3. Replacement types/rates
    4. Acquisition methodology
    5. Operator selection method
Chris reemphasized that we should look at this from a science perspective and questioned how a customer survey could be conducted? From his perspective the need to retain single ship operators is very important. He noted that many times the multi-ship operations are less responsive than and less personal than the single ship operations. However, it was pointed out there are benefits for having multi-ship operations. They can often draw on a larger pool of resources when preparing for cruises.

Larry Atkinson suggested that a special report from FIC be prepared to highlight the strengths in having a distributed fleet. It should also express for the need for community feedback. Cruise feedback should be allowed from the entire science party, not just the chief scientist. Larry tasked Terry Whitledge and Chris to write a document. Larry will present it to the Council. See Appendix III.

Sujata reported that ONR has developed a life cycle decision model. It is very useful tool and may be helpful as fleet planning issues arise. They are using the AGOR 26 as a model. She recommended that the FIC invite the group who developed the model to present their work at a future meeting.

Lunch

SUNCOASTER Replacement Plans - John Ogden, Director of Florida Institution of Oceanography (FIO), made a presentation on plans for replacement of their vessel, SUNCOASTER. FIO is located in St. Petersburg, FL and is a consortium of state university schools. University of Miami is a member of their consortium. FIO functions as a meeting place, an administrator and an initiator of projects. They are funded by the state to give out ship time. FIO has two ships, BELLOWS (71’) and SUNCOASTER (110’) along with the Key Marine Lab. They generally operate their ships 300 days a year.

SUNCOASTER is a very flexible vessel and has steadily increased in use. It does all types of oceanographic work. SUNCOASTER is 35 years old. Initial design features for the replacement vessel include flexibility, 120 feet in length, and approximately 18 bunks. A day rate of $3K is desired. FIO plans to develop a set of SMRs. They are budgeting $10M for the project. Some of the funds are in hand. They expect to operate the ship as they now operate SUNCOASTER. They would like to stay in their niche to best serve their clients. They provide the ship, bunks, food and fuel.

FIC endorsed FIO’s replacement efforts. It is FIO’s intent to keep FIC and UNOLS informed on the status of their plans.

It was recommended that SUNCOASTER and other vessels of this type be added to the to the UNOLS website. [Note - The UNOLS website includes a small research vessel inventory list, www.gso.uri.edu/unols/schedules/srv/default.htm.]

National Science Foundation (NSF) – Mike Reeve began the agency report with comments on the budget. The House mark shows a 3% increase to the NSF 2000 budget. The Senate mark indicates a 10.3% increase. NSF’s budget request is for a 17% increase with a 23% increase for Ocean Science. The budget has not gone to conference yet. NSF hopes to have a budget by mid October. The Ocean Sciences increase was spread across the division and included an increase for facilities operations. Biocomplexity has been receiving a lot of support. There was a significant increase for support of ocean observations. Stay tuned.

Agency Long-Range Plan – Mike Reeve went on to report that the agency representatives (NSF, ONR, and NOAA) have been meeting on this topic. They are anxiously awaiting the summer OSU workshop report from Tim Cowles. With the formation of the Federal Oceanographic Facilities Committee (FOFC), long range planning is a high priority. FOFC will try to meet twice a year with the next meeting planned for November. The agency reps would like to have the draft long-range plan to FOFC at their November meeting. NORLC oversees FOFC. They hope that the plan will shape future fleet capital plans. Larry commented that this makes it a very exciting time for the FIC since much of the information that they provide to the agencies will work it’s way into the capital plan. Margaret Leinen is the Chair of FOFC.

Mike Reeve reported on other topics of high interest. An Ocean Exploration Panel has been formed to report back to the President by mid October. The US Oceans Act of 2000 will establish a 16-member National Ocean Commission to formulate recommendations for a national ocean policy within 18 months. This may result in a Stratton II type study. Many of these programs are a result of The Year of the Ocean initiative. The formation of the Ocean Caucus is another exciting activity.

Office of Naval Research (ONR) – Sujata reported on the status of the AGOR 26 project. American Marine Inc (AMI), Lockheed Martin and Guido Perla and Associates are working on the ship design details. They expect the ship to be delivered in late January 2002, which is approximately a four month delay. As part of the structural design, Lockheed Martin has been working with ABS to get any issues resolved as early as possible. Some of these issues include the USCG requirement to double hull parts of the hull. All of the hurdles in the design stage have been passed. Sujata reported that the design process, in terms of communication, is going fine. ONR is concerned about the design timeline since they had hoped to have the ship ready for operations at the start of 2002. Joe Coburn pointed out that there is an advantage to the winter delivery schedule of the SWATH since it would allow testing of the ship during the high sea states.

In other activities, Sujata reported that a meeting was held to consider replacing NR-1 with a new submarine, NR-2. It may not be configured as the existing NR-1. By 2012, NR-1 will need to be decommissioned or refueled. A science committee meeting, chaired by Dick Pittenger, was held to discuss the replacement needs. The vehicle will primarily be for support of Navy needs. There is some interest among the science community on this issue.

In personnel news, Pat Dennis will be taking a full time position at CORE. He will no longer provide support for the Oceanographer of the Navy or ONR. Terry Schaff, Bob Winokur, and Jim Watkins will be leaving CORE.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration/National Marine Fisheries Service (NOAA/NMFS) - John Hotaling provided the report on the status of the NOAA Fisheries Research Vessel (FRV) construction project. NMFS hopes to have the first FRV construction contract awarded by the end of the year. The contract would include options for the next three FRVs. Although the new FRVs will be in the same class of vessels, there will be slightly different regional vessel requirements that will have to be incorporated into each of the designs. The first ship will be assigned to the Alaska region.

Ship Construction/Upgrade Projects:

ALPHA HELIX Replacement Plans - Terry Whitledge reported on University of Alaska’s plans for replacing ALPHA HELIX. They have been funded for conceptual design and the first part of the preliminary design. They are collaborating with Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution on the project. Terry distributed a package that provides comparative vessel data between the R/V ARANDA, NOAA FV-40, NATHANIAL PALMER, MELVILLE, and THOMPSON (see Appendix IV). It also provides a comparison between the Alaskan Regional Research Vessel (ARRV) and the NOAA FV-40. The package includes the SMRs for the ARRV. These SMRs are basically the 1999 Alaska SMRs that have been slightly modified.

Terry reviewed the comparison charts and the SMR changes. The size of the vessel is a driving factor in the design. The vessel length has grown slightly to 200-210 feet. This growth came from input by the science community. Terry indicated that the size might grow even more. Draft will be a limiting characteristic since many of the ports that they will enter are shallow. Endurance of the ship has been increased from 45 to 60 days with enhanced hotel service. Other changes included relaxing the speed requirement from 12 knots to 10 knots in seas up to 12 feet. They plan to operate the vessel in the seasonal sea ice of the indicated geographic regions. Diesel electric engines will likely be the design of choice.

Terry indicated that this package is the first look at the design. Any input from FIC would be appreciated. It appears that this vessel is somewhat comparable to the new NMFS FRV. The replacement-planning group had their initial meeting in mid September. They would like to complete the draft concept design by April 2001. They will post the design on the web and pass it along to FIC for review. They would like as much input as possible. WHOI’s interest in this project is to participate in the design process and to help make a design suitable for wider use. Terry indicated that the WHOI partnership has worked well.

United States Coast Guard (USCG) – Jon Berkson reported that HEALY transited to Seattle on schedule. The ship’s science trials went very well. On a macro scale the ship performed very well, however, there is a long list of micro type issues/problems to resolve. The biggest problem is in the winch control system. They are trying to come up with a way of simplifying the winch control. The Post Shipyard Availability (PSA) period is on schedule. It appears that 100 days of science operations are scheduled for 2001. The operations will be in the eastern Arctic. If transit time is factored in, there is approximately 200 days of operations. Jon provided a video of HEALY taken during ice operations that will be shown during the UNOLS Council meeting. Technician support for HEALY is an issue that still needs to be resolved. Mike Prince has offered to explore possibilities and perhaps submit a proposal that will provide UNOLS technical support. There may be funds at NSF to help support this effort. There is no easy, obvious solution. Joe Coburn commented that HEALY is a magnificent facility. Design goals were exceeded in many areas. The USCG has done a great job on this project.

Regional Ship Planning – Annette DeSilva summarized a written report provided by Lee Black (Bermuda Biological Research Station). The regional ship operators met in March to discuss midlife work plans for their vessels. The list of topics discussed and attendees are included in Appendix V.

AGOR 26 – Sujata Millick provided the status of the AGOR 26 project in her ONR report.

CAPE HENLOPEN Replacement – Matt Hawkins provided a written report prior to the meeting, see Appendix VI. Their goal is to have the concept design completed by late spring 2001.

SAVANNAH Construction – Braxton Tesh provided a written update of SAVANNAH’s Construction prior to the meeting. It is included as Appendix VII. Construction is expected to be complete by July 1, 2001. They hope to begin operations in fall 2001.

WHOI SWATH Update – Joe Coburn reported on WHOI’s plans for construction of a SWATH vessel. The plans are well on their way and they hope to have a construction contract in place before the first of the year. Delivery is estimated for February 2002. They hope to be able to conduct sea trials on Georges Bank during challenging sea conditions. The ship will be instrumented/alarmed for stress monitoring. WHOI would like to look at the vessel as a test bed and they will be seeking additional information on its performance. For additional information on the project, see http://www.marine.whoi.edu/ships/swath/index.html .

CAPE HATTERAS Midlife Planning – In November, Duke/UNC sent FIC their plans for a CAPE HATTERAS Midlife effort. A FIC review of the plans was requested. DUKE/UNC will be contacted for additional information.

NR-2 – At this time, the role of FIC on this effort is unknown. The committee will try to stay abreast of any developments.

MTS Journal – Annette DeSilva reported that an upcoming issue of the MTS Journal would be devoted to ships. Jack Bash is the editor for that edition. It is likely that UNOLS/FIC will be asked to provide input. There will be authors from other countries as well.

Sea Technology Soapbox – Larry Atkinson reported that he has been asked to write a soapbox for Sea Technology. He indicated that the Soapbox will be similar to the EOS article and will focus on the need to begin the UNOLS Fleet renewal process.

Science Mission Requirements (SMRs) - There was a discussion on the UNOLS SMRs. All of the SMRs that have been developed by UNOLS are now posted on the UNOLS/FIC website. It was noted that these are quite old and applied an old format. In many cases they are probably outdated. It was recommended that a note be added at the top of the web page to indicate that these SMRs are the ones that have been developed and new ones will be developed as needed. It was commented that it is too difficult and in many cases meaningless to develop general SMRs.

Fleet Planning – There was a general discussion on the need for a fleet replacement/renewal plan and a strategy for development of the plan. Three steps were identified:

  1. Develop a FIC Strawman Plan
  2. Make a FIC announcement to the community that will be a "Statement of intent for a Fleet Renewal Plan."
  3. Do it (FIC).
We looked at each of the ship classes. Should the fleet renewal plan be updated to address the need for large ship planning sooner or later? It was commented that AGOR 26 might help to alleviate the ship scheduling situation experienced this year. It was recommended that we wait until AGOR 26 is in the system before addressing the need for additional large ships. Adding another ship may actually increase utilization. NSF requested an increase of 26% to their budget. How does this impact oceanographic research and fleet utilization? There are many indicators that ship demand will increase.

The fleet renewal plan will need to initially focus on intermediate size ships. Things to consider in developing the plan include the new ISM Code and new USCG regulations. Joe Coburn explained some of the potential impacts of the new regulations. It is likely that the large intermediate ships would need to become inspected vessel. They can still be built under Subchapter U. There will be increased manning requirements, however these may be offset by automation and engineering manning. The new regulations may have a greater impact in terms of manning requirements for smaller ships (125-feet) that are considering a stretch.

In summary, some of the information that will be needed when developing the renewal plan includes the following:

- The impact of ISM codes on larger intermediate ships.

- US Coast Guard manning and inspection requirements.

- Automation and its offset to manning requirements.

There was discussion on how FIC can obtain user feedback. It was suggested that a web or paper survey of the community be conducted. Annette will gather information and examples from past customer satisfaction surveys. WHOI will be contacted for information on the survey that they recently conducted. It was also suggested that FIC could have a display in the UNOLS booth at the fall AGU. The FIC needs to identify the science requirements in the fleet plan. The design requirements should be based on user comments. FIC needs to ask the community what their highest priority is when considering ship design features. What is the most important attribute to conduct your science? It was pointed out that this question must be directed for an intermediate type vessel. The survey will need to clearly point this out since this class will be the first to go off line. It was also suggested to ask questions about satisfaction with the ship acquisition process and operator selection. "How would you change it if you had the opportunity?" Lastly it was pointed out that we would need to address technology needs and availability.

A strategy was agreed upon:

1. Send a community letter of intent for fleet renewal.

  1. Conduct a user satisfaction survey.
  2. Meet in February to begin development of the plan based on the input received.
FIC Membership - There was discussion on FIC membership and suggestions were made for potential new members. Larry Mayer was suggested. It was also suggested to contact Dana Kester to see if he has any recommendations for people with ocean observatory experience.

The meeting was adjourned at 5:00 pm.

 

Following the meeting, Larry Atkinson prepared a summary of FIC activities and plans for fleet renewal. He presented these to the UNOLS Membership at their Annual Meeting on 22 September. They are included as Appendix VIII.
 
 



 
 

Appendix I

Attendance List
Fleet Improvement Committee Meeting
September 20, 2000


Last Name
First
Inst/Org
Phone
Fax
e-mail
Atkinson
Larry
ODU
757-683-4926
757-683-5550
atkinson@ccpo.odu.edu
Berkson
Jonathan
USCG
202-267-1457
202-267-4222
jberkson@comdt.uscg.mil
Coburn
Joe
WHOI/RVOC
508-289-2624
508-540-8675
jcoburn@whoi.edu
DeSilva
Annette
UNOLS
401-874-6827
401-874-6167
office@unols.org
Dupree
George
USCG
202-267-1456
202-267-4427
Gdupree@comdt.uscg.mil
Freitag
John
URI/RVTEC
401-874-6579
401-874-6578
jfreitag@gso.uri.edu
Hotaling
John
NMFS
301-713-2369
301-713-4057
John.Hotaling@noaa.gov
Measures
Chris
UH
808-956-5924
808-956-7112
chrism@soest.hawaii.edu
Millick
Sujata
ONR
703-696-4530
703-696-2710
millics@onr.navy.mil
Ogden
John
FIO
727-553-1100
727-553-1109
jogden@marine.usf.edu
Reeve
Mike
NSF
703-292-8581
703-292-9085
mreeve@nsf.gov
Whitledge
Terry
U Ak
907-474-7229
907-474-7204
terry@ims.uaf.edu


Appendix III
 
 

Special Report From FIC

A better system of feedback from participants in scientific expeditions on UNOLS vessels is desirable. This would enable the operating institutions to assess the success or failures of the science programs that are related to vessel capabilities, outfitting or operations. The current reporting process that involves only the chief scientist does not always assess the problems or accomplishments that were encountered on a cruise. A possible remedy to this problem would be at least a questionnaire given to all cruise participants to request their post cruise responses to problems encountered. Electronic versions of the questionnaire could be resident on the shipboard information/data collection system.
 



 
 

Appendix V

MEMO

To: Paul Ljunggren

From: Lee Black

Subject: Report on the Regional R/V Meeting, 22-23MAR00

Date: 03APR00

We held a two day meeting at the Inner Harbor Holiday Inn in Baltimore, Maryland on the 22nd and 23rd of March to provide a forum for planning the midlife work on the regional research vessels. We were lucky enough to included a tour of the new USCGC "HEALY". Following are the topics discussed and a list of attendees.

Topics:

Impact of Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) and other regulations on regional research vessels. Focus was on tonnage laws and crewing requirements.

Developments in the revision of the 1988 Science Mission Requirements (SMR) for regional research vessels. We went over the 1988 SMR line by line.

Scope of proposed midlife work to enhance the SMR capabilities of regional research vessels.

Funding support for midlife work.

Overview, by individual operators, of proposed midlife refit work for their regional research vessels.

Three to five year plan for proposed midlife work on regional research vessels.

The possible need for an independent midlife survey of regional research vessels.
 
 

Attendees:
 

Alaska, U. of Tom Smith, Assistant Director

BBSR Lee Black, Marine Superintendent

Delaware, U. of Mat Hawkins, Marine Superintendent

Tom Church, Ph.D., Chemical Oceanographer

Duke U. Quentin Lewis, Marine Superintendent
 
 

FIC Larry Atkinson, Chairman of FIC and Physical Oceanographer

HBOI Tim Askew, Marine Superintendent
 
 

LUMCON Steve Rabalais, Assistant Director
 
 

MLML Mike Prince, Marine Superintendent
 
 

NSF Mike Reeve, Section Head for Oceanographic Centers and Facilities

Dolly Dieter, Program Director of Ship Operations
 
 

ONR Sujata Millick, Research Facilities

Tim Pfeiffer, Research Facilities
 
 

Observer Bill Keefe, Marine Superintendent (retired)

UNOLS Annette DeSilva, Asstistant Executive Secretary
 


Appendix VI

September 18, 2000

Dr. Larry Atkinson

Chair, UNOLS Fleet Improvement Committee

Old Dominion University

P.O. Box 6369

Norfolk, VA 23508
 

Dear Dr. Atkinson:

I would like to take this opportunity to provide you with a brief update on where the University of Delaware stands in the design effort to replace the R/V CAPE HENLOPEN.

The comments on the Preliminary Science Mission Requirements (SMR’s) have been received from the Fleet Improvement Committee. FIC’s comments were extremely valuable and most will be able to be incorporated in the final SMR’s without difficulty. We felt it necessary to forward several topics back to the Delaware Research Vessel Committee (DRVC) for final review, particularly on the critical issues of deck and lab space. We have since received final comments from the DRVC on these topics.

We intend to finalize the SMR’s and begin development of the "Concept" design in October 2000. It is still our goal to have the "Concept" design completed by late spring 2001 (April-May), at which time the Delaware Research Vessel Committee will again convene to continue the review process.
 
 

Sincerely,
 
 

Matthew J. Hawkins

Director, Marine Operations
 
 

C/c: Dr. Robert Knox, UNOLS Council

Mike Prince, UNOLS Office

Dolly Dieter, NSF

Sujata Millick, ONR
 
 



Appendix VII

From - Mon Sep 18 10:17:41 2000

From: Braxton Tesh <braxton@skio.peachnet.edu>

To: Mike Prince <office@unols.org>

Subject: R/V Savannah Update
 
 

Mike,

Here is an update on the R/V Savannah : The ship was designed by

Rodney E. Lay & Assoc. of Jacksonville, Florida and is now under

construction at the Washburn & Doughty Shipyard of East Booth Bay,

Maine. The yard is expected to complete their contract by July 1, 2001

at which time the ship will be sailed to Skidaway Institute of

Oceanography in Savannah. The science labs will then be finished out and

much equipment and electronics will be moved over from the R/V Blue Fin.

This work will be completed by SkIO staff with hopes of having the ship

up and operational by the Fall of 2001. Presently the Washburn & Doughty

Shipyard is working a double crew on the R/V Savannah and is ahead of

schedule with much of the steel work completed, the engines are set on

their beds and the generators also set in place. If this pace continues

we may shave a couple of months off the schedule. The estimated cost of

the ship now stands at $ 3.4 million.
 

R/V Savannah

LOA 91' 6"

Beam 27'

Draft 8'

Horsepower 900

Gross Tonnage ~300

Cruise speed 12 knots

Main Engines two Caterpillar model 3406E

450 hp @ 1800 rpm Bow Thruster a 16" American Bow Thruster TRAC Series with 65 hp hydraulic motor
See you in D.C. next week. Regards, Braxton